I’ve talked before about how I, and I believe a lot of people like me, fall into a trap of sorts. People who tend to spend a lot of time, perhaps too much, dwelling on things. I suppose being this way is what led me to eventually start this blog. Anyway I used the word “thoughtful”, and spoke about how these more thoughtful people can often convince themselves that they’re more intelligent than all the “sheeple” or “NPCs” or whatever new term might exist. Of course this is a fiction, at least that’s what I was trying to get across before. I don’t really want this post to be a rehash of that one, so I’m not going to spend too much time covering things I already spoke about in the past, but I just have a problem with those kinds of terms and the mindset behind them. The post I’m talking about was called “Thinking about thinking about things”, and it was posted October last year, if you are interested.
I’ve talked before about the probably not actually real roman tradition of the slave standing behind a general during a military triumph and whispering “memento mori” in his ear. This idea that it takes relatively little to convince people that they’re above everyone else, that they’re divine and “better”, is clearly something that has been understood since antiquity and I really do believe that the whole “sheeple” idea is another expression of that, the degree of seriousness is just different. Nowadays instead of great statesmen and military leaders getting that feeling from the roaring crowds cheering their name, you have normal people who commute or whatever who have a sense of superiority over the other people in the train carriage like in that pic I used in that other post. I say nowadays, but actually to be honest the normal day to day citizens of the roman empire or any other ancient civilisation were probably just as prone to such thoughts and the major political figures (or corporate leaders) of today are probably no different than the great figures of the past either.
It really does just seem to be something inherent, at the very least inherent to men. Now this is pure speculation, from someone who doesn’t have any kind of academic credentials whatsoever, but one idea I’ve had is that perhaps it’s an evolutionary trait. See, you kind of have to convince yourself you’re the best in order to justify being the one who reproduces, in an ancient/ stone age ooga booga times kind of environment I mean. Obviously I’m being a bit silly here, but hopefully you understand what I mean. I don’t want to just be another goof online who spouts “redpill” ideas because most of those people are just repeating things you’ve been told before but in increasingly dumbed down and less accurate ways. It’s not even that I disagree with most of it, what people call the 80/20 rule, terms like hypergamy, sexual marketplace, alpha/ beta male, etc etc. all the usual stuff. I’m kind of on board, a bit, or at least I have spent a great deal of time since my mid teens with those kinds of ideas around me. I’m trying to do my own kind of thing here though, and when those ideas influence me I might need to mention them as background, but that’s about all.
As I said I don’t really want to talk about that because having heard it all before, and I’m sure the same is true for some of you, it’s rather boring to go over. Rather I kind of want to build on it a little. See there’s a common thing that gets said, that you have twice as many female ancestors as male ones or something like that. This isn’t just a total asspull from incel philosophers like me (that’s a joke, I don’t have so little self awareness to seriously consider myself a “philosopher”) but something I’ve heard from actual legit academics and science magazines. I think it’s all something we kind of recognise, the whole meme about how women live life on easy mode being an expression of it. I think that it is undeniable that “finding a partner” being an actual difficult task is a male problem. I mean, the way women talk about their future children like it’s just a guarantee is really what gives it away. At the same time though they also seem to not get it, I mean you hear women ask things like “why are men so obsessed with sex” and it’s not a perfect analogy but just imagine someone from a modern first world country who can go to the supermarket and just pick food off the shelf asking why hunter-gatherer tribes in the amazon are obsessed with food. It’s absurd, isn’t it? I guess I’m just gatekeeping hunger now, I mean you still have to walk to the supermarket and pay for the food, people in modern first world countries get hungry too y’know, I’m just clearly a misog.. anti-firstworlder.
I’ll get back on topic in a second though, I’m giving off major incel vibes. I really like that expression btw, incel v i b e s, my friend said it to me last summer when talking about someone. It was when we were away on a camping trip, me and the only two friends I really have. I think I’ve mentioned this trip before briefly, but we were away for a few days and just went walking most of the time. It was also my first (and as of now only, because I haven’t found a good time to take those morning glory seeds yet) experience with psychedelics, but it was a mild dose of 2cb which is itself a very tame drug. Anyway, one of the days we took a really long walk over to this island (connected by a causeway) off the coast near where we were staying and up to the tip opposite the mainland. It’s shaped a little like a diamond or oval, and at this other end there’s loads of crags and cliffs and a lighthouse. It’s really spectacular, the waves smashing against the rocks can come really high up. I’ve actually been several times before with my dad when I was a lot younger. The area, a few hours drive from where I live, is very special to me and I have a lot of memories associated with it which is why I brought my two friends there.
Anyway, we were walking along this big open field just before getting to the end of the journey and were very tired. It was the height of summer, and one of my friends was struggling so much with the heat and a blister he got that he had to stop and me and the other friend went ahead to the café at the cliffs to get drinks for us all. So the final stretch before we got there was this long and wide open field, and we chatting and joking about this guy he knew of. Well, first we were talking about the heat and I said something like “right now I wish I was in Finland” and we were laughing about that and he mentioned that he actually knew someone who moved to Finland. This guy apparently met a girl online, some online dating site I think, and the madman actually moved to fucking Finland to meet her. So that was amusing and he was telling me more about the guy, and how he would often whine about tfw no gf, and that’s when my friend said it. It wasn’t “He gave me incel vibes” or I got incel vibes from him” it was just standalone. He said his story about the guy and then just at the end, like a cherry on top, “Incel vibes” and he chuckled a bit.
It’s a pointless story honestly, but for whatever reason it’s really stuck out to me. I like it a lot, it’s kinda funny in a way. In fact I was almost going to use it as the name for this blog, I’m actually still not sure whether I made the right choice. I think my mood, because of the situation at the time, may have influenced me to go with the title I have instead but looking at everything I’ve written both work fairly well. I mean this very post that I’m writing right now would fit perfectly under either title. On the one hand like I said (and what got me on to this topic in the first place) I’m certainly giving off incel vibes. This is not an “incel blog” by any means, again as I said I don’t just want to repeat things that have been said before because stagnation is death, but those very ideas have clearly had an influence on me and they do leak out. On the other hand, this post is very much me just rambling and the reason for that is indeed my neurosis. I hate to self diagnose, and I know it seems like nowadays everyone has a mental illness, but I think it’s fair for me to say that I’m not completely mentally healthy. After all I’ve been very isolated for a long while, take those two friends I mentioned who were on that trip with me. One of them I haven’t actually seen in person since, and that was like half a year ago now. The other I did see last night, but still I only see him in person an average of perhaps once every two or three months.
I do think being quite secluded most of my life has made things difficult for me in a lot of ways. I get unhealthily attached to people, and I don’t necessarily mean infatuated here it’s not a lower case romantic kind of thing. At least I don’t think it is, it’s hard for me to tell and that leads to further confusion. A lot of people are much more in tune with these kinds of things than me, and I’m realising now that I’ve come back around to what I was initially intending to talk about in this post, in a roundabout way. People like me, who will just endlessly waste their time thinking themselves to death tend to assume all problems can be solved by them thinking their way out. They might think they’re depressed because they don’t have friends or a gf or any goals, but then you’ll listen to some normalfag say something about how they started adding some herb into their meals and they felt better. Or they’ll suggest listening to music, and admittedly upbeat/ high energy music can in the short term affect my mood rather significantly. The weird thing is they just seem to know this stuff, and it’s so fucking alien to me because they’re literally talking about thoughts. Depression is ultimately just bad thoughts, and they chew some ginger root or whatever and something about hormone balance and bang! no more bad thoughts.
Not only does it just come naturally, the idea that if you’re having bad thoughts you shouldn’t continue with them and try to solve things internally but that you should just “do exercise for those endorphins bro”, but it’s not something that bothers them at all either. To me that’s kind of horrifying, that your thoughts aren’t really your own (and this is something that I do spend way too much time fretting over) is a scary idea. That you just need to min-max nutrients and vitamins like life is an RPG and that will literally change how you perceive what’s going on around you is a big deal. I’ve spoken before about religious stuff, and yes I have a very limited knowledge of religious philosophy and theology, but my current way of seeing things as I explained in much more depth in older posts is that God is kind of like all possible knowledge at once. That thought, ideas, etc. are our divine aspect. We are all made in the image of God, at least I think that’s what the bible says, and people take that to mean our material forms, two arms, two legs, standing upright, relatively hairless, and so on are what is meant by that. This is where the whole bearded man in the sky thing comes from and perhaps that’s part of it but I imagine pre-Christian depictions of deities like Zeus/ Jupiter are as well. My point though, is that God is a metaphysical being, the anthropomorphic God is silly and this is why fundamentalists are such cancer. No, it’s thought or reason which separates us from animals. Divinity is immaterial, you cannot touch or smell it. I also see ideas of enlightenment in eastern traditions like Buddhism as getting at the same thing, but again I have even less understanding of those.
If thought is just another part of instinct, which I guess I kind of also contradictorily agree with sometimes because a lot of evo-psych ideas sound rather plausible to me (clearly, after all I was spouting similar stuff myself in this very post), then how can you take any thought you have seriously. It just puts me in this constant state of self doubt, which again I can’t help but obsess over like I always do. It’s quite the conundrum, I feel like I might never achieve any sense of freedom from these thoughts, it can be quite oppressive. I know that these evo-psych ideas have this negative effect on me because of something that has been happening recently in fact, and which I was hoping I’d find a reason to talk about in this post actually just to vent.
So I found out my manager is quitting, she’s been here since I started of course and is the one who gave me the job. I know it’s the boss I work for, but it was her who gave me the interview and I imagine ultimately made the choice for me to start working there officially. So, I’ve been thinking that I should say some kind of thank you for that, but it’s very difficult for me. I don’t speak a lot, I’m not articulate at all or able to just rattle on forever about something like I do in my head or in writing here. I’ve explained it how I see it before, like there’s a cage that I’m trapped inside of when I’m outside with other people and I can shake the bars and scream all I want but my body (the cage in question) will just continue on awkwardly brute forcing through any interaction in a very forced and unresponsive way. The only sign of life is my hands shaking noticeably when I’m particularly stressed. I imagine that some of you, those who came from /r9k/, experience a similar thing although maybe not as severe.
So I decided that I had the right idea the last time and that I should write a letter, a more substantial one this time not just a little note but a real letter. Which is why this post is kind of a hastily done thing, I know I’m no longer holding myself to the weekly upload thing but I still want to be writing something always and this is kind of what I’ve been doing to take my mind off of the letter which is what I’ve been giving most of my attention to. I know it sounds silly, it’s going to be a few paragraphs long, shorter than any post I’ve made here so why is it taking such focus and time? Well the thing is it’s like every line I type I have to redo 100+ times, it’s like a minefield because as I was saying I’ve been isolated for a lot of my life and I have a lot of difficulty knowing the various societal boundaries there are. I really have a difficult time knowing what is and isn’t appropriate, after all this is a married woman. So I’ll admit I’m nervous about it seeming like I’m trying to confess my secret feelings for her or something when (in this specific instance) I’m really not. Yes, the fact that last time I actually did have secret feelings for the person I left the note for might also be causing me to worry this way I’m aware of that too.
I’m just not sure, I know I’m not able to say something in person whenever the last time I see her may be I’m just too much of a coward and I can’t get more than a couple sentences out without spilling my spaghetti. Not just with her obviously, with practically anyone even other guys. I’m saying that because the whole spaghetti meme is usually really only associated with an object of one’s affection, oneitis I suppose. Not that this woman is unattractive, although she is quite a lot older than I am, in fact I think she’s rather aware of how pretty and pleasant to be around men find her given some things I’ve heard her say before. Which is exactly my problem, I can’t help but think that when you’re a good looking woman and have been hit on by countless men since your late teens you must become a bit jaded. Any expression of genuine affection or appreciation from a guy (particularly a younger one) that isn’t an attempt to get something, that isn’t anything other than just a “thanks for what you did for me”, will not seem so. It will appear to be just more of the same, just more empty male words to get in your pants.
It’s back to the whole “nice guys” meme again, you know this idea that “nice guys” aren’t actually nice they’re just trying to get you to sleep with them but in a sneaky way. It’s easy to dismiss those people at first, after all you know you’re actually genuinely nice right? and you know truly internally, you understand your own motivations and they’re not just to “get laid” or whatever a few harpies with the thousand cock stare have to say. Then the self doubt creeps in, all that evo psych stuff you’ve been surrounded by. What if it is all some strategy you’ve adopted without even being consciously aware of it. Is everything I say and everything I think, not actually what I say and think truly but entirely at the whim of the animal I inhabit’s needs and urges? Is free will, true choice, an illusion. Now I’m starting to get into the hard determinism thing, which I have also been thinking about a lot lately after a really fascinating thread on /lit/ but I do plan to make an entirely separate post for that subject so I’m going to steer clear now.
I know that last time when I left the note for the other girl who left I felt bad after, I kind of regret it now and instead wish I hadn’t done it. The reason though is because I regret having feelings for her at all, because between thinking about how little I really knew her and understanding the way desperate people can delude themselves I realised that my thoughts were kind of “not my own”, which as I was just talking about is something that I spend a lot of time thinking about and being concerned by. This case is kind of different, even with the weird evo-psych ideas about secret unconscious mating strategies it doesn’t matter, because consciously I know I’m not trying anything with this woman. I’ve never had any kind of fantasy, or daydream, like I would have fairly often about oneitis girl. I’m so conflicted, I know it seems so stupid that I’m almost having a crisis over this crap but it’s really kind of more a catalyst if you think about it.
Here’s the situation, I’ve had a couple days to think now. This entire post other than going forward of course was written primarily in one evening, kind of rushed over a few intense hours and now I’ve had a couple of days my head is a little clearer. I stopped writing that letter, but I think I will finish it. I don’t think that I will be giving it to her though, and I will explain. Tonight there’s a gathering/ social thing and the entire team is going to a restaurant and the pub. There was a group card and we all had to leave a short note goodbye there. I didn’t get to say everything I feel I’d like to, but after that and also the goodbye messages in the group text chat anything else would start to feel a little cloying and excessive I feel. Which is exactly the opposite of what I want, see I’ve had time to think and I realised that I was more doing this for me than for her.
I was thinking about it and I realised that I was being kind of reductive by assuming the only desirable role that women can play in a male’s life would be that of a romantic/ sexual partner. See my thinking was that even though I feel quite sad about this woman leaving, because I don’t see her that way, the warm feelings I have for her are something “pure” or “true” or dare I say it “platonic”. Then I remembered what I’ve spoken about before, that maybe because my mother passed away I’m looking for a mother figure almost as a replacement or at the very least to kind of fill that missing need, and that maternal role may be how I’ve been seeing this woman. As I did with that other woman who trained me and then was fired right after I started. Now on the one hand this is quite helpful, it would mean that I’m not secretly and unconsciously trying to long game my way into getting laid which would kind of make me disgusted with myself. On the other hand though it still means that my feelings are conditional on biological or at least psychological needs, so I’m still to a degree not in full control of my thoughts if this is an accurate way of seeing things.
Anyway, whatever is the case I cannot know what other people will think, and I care a great deal about what other people think of me. I don’t have any good reason to assume that were I to write such a letter, this woman would give even half as much thought to these things as I have. It’s very possible that she’d just assume I did secretly have feelings for her all along, I mean I have good reason to think this because of something she said at the last social event. The topic of tips came up, we leave a tip jar at the front of the counter. Now most of the time people just drop change loose change in there they don’t want to keep, and an actual larger tip is less common. So we were talking about those larger tips, I don’t remember exactly why, and she said something about how it’s “usually men”. This is the problem I face, I remember these little comments people make that usually go ignored and I read into them maybe more than I should but I can’t help it.
So, if I leave this letter and that is the assumption made about me then her last impression of me will be forever tarnished, any positive memory of me will be stained by this idea that all along I had some ulterior motive. If she has a similar way of seeing things as I do, and she thinks I’m just a kid looking for a mother figure, she probably would be more understanding at least. Nevertheless that is still an imposition, I’m putting her in a role that she never wanted to be in. This is an adult with a life of her own, I’ve developed some kind of warmth for her because I have very few people in my life and most people in my situation wouldn’t have. It is certainly inappropriate either way, and while at least it would be accurate to be remembered this way it would still be unfortunate. So it’s a 1/3 chance that I’m remembered as… idk a sleaze? or maybe more accurately a failed one (either of which are completely absurd if you know anything about me), a 1/3 chance that I’ll be remembered as a developmentally stunted weakling, and a 1/3 chance that I’ll be remembered fondly without any baggage placed on top..
Wait, no that’ll never happen not in this culture. Outside of maybe certain reactionary circles I don’t think anyone believes there are pure intentions anymore, in fact I think even those people are just pretending to themselves as well. So it’s more like 50/50, and I’m not sure I’m willing to take those odds, when it comes to something like how I’ll be remembered, which as I said is incredibly important to me. Like I said I do still plan to finish this letter, so I haven’t made my mind up 100% yet. I suppose that my decision rests on the answer to one more question, if I don’t leave the letter what will be the impression of me that is left with her? Will I even be remembered. or is this just another person quickly drifting through my life with me as a brief distraction?